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gonna be so for real aspen frost makes me want to support endos
like why are they out here calling people slurs and being ableist while trying to spread information, some of which is def misinformation
its gross and i dont enjoy them existing in the same sphere of beliefs as me
Saying you have a "transfemme" alter in a dfab body is super fucking transphobic, I thought you'd know better. You can take your fake system and go play with the other fakes okay?
why is transphobic? give me like actual solid reasoning
im not saying you can be mtf in an afab body or ftm in an amab body while fronting
but there are identities under the trans umbrella that you can be that falls under masc and fem and honestly not respecting those identities feels more transphobic
yo ok syscourse moment
you can be transfem in a female body and transmasc in a male body
fuck anybody that says different
fr so confused why people have issue with me saying its ableist to treat a mental disorder (OSDDID) like its some fun quirky identity
like you cant sit around spreading misinformation about it and treating it like its fun and then call the people that correct your information names and shit
legit learn to educate yourself and treat disabled people with respect
why tf do endos treat being a system like its an identity that you can pick and choose to label? why do they constantly push the transphobic rhetoric of using "traumascum" to refer to traumatized individuals that just dont want people to treat their symptoms like its fun?
being plural/being a system is nothing like being lgbtq+ and i really think we need to stop treating it as such
yes we are a community, but this community is one formed on the basis of being traumatized as kids, its not based on something we choose to refer to ourselves as
we need to be there to support each other but not blindly. we need to help spread information to others with the symptoms so they can receive help.
you wouldnt treat people with personality disorders the way you treat systems so why is it acceptable to treat systems this way?
Jfc y’all. Imagine doubling down this bad.
“Hey, I just made a new term!!”
“Uh. That term you made isn’t really new, and has been used in the past to say some really fucking harmful shit.”
“Uuuuuh actually I made it up myself and you’re lying.”
“??? Bitch literally here’s my sources-“
“But that’s a DIFFERENT word. Mine means this and that means that.”
“But… in *this context*, that word is really fucking bad. You should use a different fucking word?”
“This is slander and the actions of a hate group trying to silence me. I’m going to shout about the word even more now. It’s not even the same word!”
“THIS IS SUPER FUCKING OFFENSIVE TO ME JFC ARE YOU TRYING TO BE HURTFUL?”
“See?? They’re claiming I did this on purpose! This idiot doesn’t even know I only did 30 minutes of research lmao!”
This is the hill you wanna die on? This is the term you really think is best for the entire ass community??? Better than natural multiplicity I guess……..
As a plural [questioning origin] who is new to the plural and system community in general, I wanna point out that from what we've seen being a system/plural is not really the whole thing with DID and other dissociative disorder like that, it's the trauma and being a system is more of an "add-on" (sorry for phrasing it like that).
So people saying they are PLURAL or a SYSTEM or whatever other word they prefer to use without trauma is not misdiagnosing themselves cause they aren't claiming to have DID or OSDD or other trauma based dissociative disorders without trauma. They are just saying that they have a similar thing to people with those disorders (I hope we are explaining this correctly).
So why are anti endos so obsessed with trying to call them fake or saying that they are doing that? If you just listen to them, you would learn more, and isn't that better? Don't traumagenic systems/plurals want to be listened to instead of being thought of badly from misinformation and bad representation and shit? So why aren't they doing that for endos?
I wouldn't usually jump into "discourse" or anything, but we felt like this needed to be said and understood. If you don't like this post, leave my account, go ahead, and block me. It will save everyone a ton of time.
- Lakey (They/it + blu/blue/blues/blues/blueself) & Shay (They/it) | almost always here as the host, lol
I think a big part of the reason that I went from anti-endo to endo-safe was absolutely due to how starkly different the communities felt.
Anti-endo communities were hard to engage with. Sure, some of them would focus on their support for each other more than their hatred of endogenic systems. And that's great! However, when you are brought together by your dislike of a certain group, you can't help but feel the hate permiate into so much of it. It always happened eventually. Anti-endo communities had such a focus on systems who were "fake" that I couldn't help but worry I was one of them, no matter how much they told me it was "just endos" they were concerned about.
The endo community (at least the parts I've engaged with and were easy to find) were so kind and respected me as a system, no matter how I felt or my plurality presented. Simply knowing we could find joy in our plurality allowed us to strive for so much more than we had thought possible before.
As a traumagenic system, we've improved so much with our symptoms and communication as a result of the positivity and acceptance we recieved. When we joined communities where we could be authenticallly ourselves (no matter what), we came together and faced so much less conflict between each other. And the conficts we did have, we realized that we could solve them together rather than alone.
When you are constantly doubting if you are "actually a system", you start to push the others away, and that made our dissociation and amnesia so much worse. I understand being careful of self-misdiangnosis, it can put you on the wrong path for how you learn to manage your symptoms. At the same time, the sentiment I often heard from endogenic systems when I was struggling with doubt and denial was very simple: "So what if you're not a system?" In short, it was okay to be wrong.
And that was huge for me. I realized that, no matter if I was a system or not, the techniques I used to improve ourselves and communicate with one another beneficial to me. At the end of the day, even if I wasn't a system after all, the skills I had found we invaluble to my health and well-being. So when I fall into denial spirals, no matter what I think about myself, I now know that I don't need to deprive myself of what has helped me, even if it is a "system thing." I don't feel scared to use these skills anymore (even in denial spirals), beacuse the line between what systems and non-systems or singlets can/can't do suddenly wasn't a big deal or a battle of "who can do what."
Our plurality is no longer a burden or a scar to us. It is simply who we are. We've learned so much about each other and ourselves since we've been accepted in full, and since we've learned to accept others. Endogenic communities have helped us (a traumagenic system) probably more than they'll ever know, and we're forever grateful for that.
So thank you, endogenic systems.
It's so weird to me that part of syscourse is about whether tulpamancy is "valid" or not. I thought that it's its own established thing. Bronies were making MLP tulpas while most of us were in elementary school
Anyways, remember that one 4channer who accidentally turned their pinkie pie tulpa into a perpetually screeching demon? Shit was fucked
Wait a second are you pro endo?
I'm not a system, I have absolutely zero authority to speak on the issue and I don't have skin in the game so even if I did know enough about the discourse to have an opinion on it, my opinion would mean nothing. I am not educated enough to have an opinion and every time I try to do research it just winds up confusing me even more and again, I have no right to have an opinion here anyways as a singlet.
I'm neither pro-endo nor anti-endo, neither pro-sysmed nor anti-sysmed. It's not my place to have an opinion here even if I knew enough to have one. I'm sorry if this answer isn't satisfactory, but it's the only answer I feel I can give. My opinion doesn't matter here and I think the best thing I can do is acknowledge that and not try to insert my unimportant and likely ill-informed opinion where it is not needed.
I can't for the life of me understand the issue and so much of the information is contradictory and complicated. So I think it's best I simply not have an opinion at all.
Thank you for the insight! /gen
I do believe we have OSDD (OSDD-1b specifically)! I just thought that they could only be soulbonds since I formed a soulbonding method of my own, and every time they popped up, it was around when I used it (it was a whole ordeal-).
I missed people from my canons (even if I’m not a fictive [fictionkin]), and soulbonding was advertised as a way to bring those people back to you, so that’s how I got roped in. I was planning on soulbonding more people, but I don’t think I really believe in it anymore.
A few side notes: I’m worried I’ll be fakeclaimed since I have more than a couple headmates at this point (13-15, I believe?).
I’m also worried about leaving those pro-endo discord servers I’m in currently, but I’ll try my hardest to build up my courage and leave it once and for all.
Again, thank you for responding! It’s honestly super comforting to have people talk to me about system stuff! /gen
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Yo, quick question for any and all “sysmeds (/lh, j)” out there:
What do you guys think about soulbonds? I’m asking because I got roped into soulbonding (and endogenic practices in general) since I had no clue about anything else system-wise beforehand, and now I don’t know what to think about them. I have a few soulbonds, sure, but now I’m worried that I’ve been faking with them this whole time. I also want to leave the pro-endo servers I’m in right now, but I’m worried they’ll bad-mouth me (or find this post-), so I’m kinda stuck right now. Any guidance/advice is appreciated 👍
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