Reverse Robins - Blog Posts

i think it’d be very funny and also very angsty if in my Reverse Robins au, dick still kills the joker

like, it’s a year after jason was killed, and the joker kidnaps Rumor/Tim. Robin arrives, the joker convinces him Rumor is dead, and then he taunts Robin about Batboy/Jason’s death

atp bruce is gone, presumed dead (lost in time), jason died a year ago, and dick is still recovering from his parents deaths. he can’t handle losing anyone else. so he just… stops holding back. he does the quadruple flip, slamming into the joker at 80mph, and breaks the bastard’s neck. no one revives him. dick doesn’t regret it one bit.

and the joker is forever known for being defeated by a fucking 12 year old with anger issues

Big fan of the Reverse Robins AU because not only does Dick Grayson deserve a break from his eldest daughter syndrome but also imagine Dick Grayson as the baby of the family? He’d have them all wrapped around his finger.

I love the Reverse Robins au but everyone always forgets Steph, because if you go with the whole “second Robin dies thing” Steph as Red Hood would be sick as fuck. I’m begging someone to draw some Steph Hood.

I think what I love the most about Reverse Robin AU TimJay is the absolute potential for hero worship with Jason toward Tim. In canon we often forget that Tim didn't really care for Jason as Robin, meanwhile as I never shut up about, Jason has been weirdly respecting and obsessed with Tim since finding out about Tim's existence. So if you flip their order, make Tim Red Hood and make Jason Red Robin, there's so much room for hero worship from Jason.

As Robin, Jason has always teetered that edge of being pro-murder or not. Whether you believe he killed Felipe or not, even in his Post-Crisis introduction as Robin, he almost kills Two Face. Those concepts of lethal justice have always been brewing inside him, just reigned in by Bruce. So if you have Robin!Jason witnessing Red Hood!Tim start killing people and quickly making noticeable change in the landscape of gangs in Gotham, Jason would take quick notice. I think Tim as Red Hood would still be lethal, but there'd be a different application than Jason's Red Hood. Heads in duffle bags isn't Tim's style, even if he kills. I think you'd see something much more akin to that time Tim almost killed Boomerang, where it's such an elaborately thought out set up, it realistically doesn't even look like Tim killed anyone. It'd take months for Bruce to connect this string of deaths as anything other than coincidental, let alone link them to Red Hood. And Jason is wickedly smart, even as Robin. Jason, putting those pieces together before Bruce does and witnessing the undeniable positive change for Gotham it's enacting? Robin!Jason would be incredibly drawn in by that, and then even more-so, a Red Robin!Jason who has to grapple with being replaced to make room for the next Robin would I think, in anger, turn to Red Hood. And Tim would push him away at first, his plans don't have room for a scorned teenager who's trying to get back at Bruce and Nightwing!Damian like this- but I think Jason would wear him down. Prove to Tim that Jason can think on his wavelength.

Slightly related, what interests me about Red Hood!Tim is how it'd implicate his closeness to Ra's. Jason is taken into the League by Talia in Lost Days and Ra's doesn't necessarily approve of Jason's presence, especially not of Talia dunking him in the Pit, but Ra's has always canonically been A Little Weird about Tim. I think in a world Tim dies as the second Robin, it would be Ra's who dunks Tim to preserve his mind that Ra's thinks shouldn't be wasted, and you have the potential for 'apprentice of Ra's' Tim wrapped up in it all, even without him experience the Red Robin arc. So when it's Jason as Red Robin, instead of him going to Ra's when he's scorned by the Batfamily, he goes to Tim. The person he once idolized, because I think Tim would've been Jason's Robin. Smart, competent, a strong legacy to live up to. And now he's back, and he's pro-killing, an edge that Jason has always teetered on and would feel even closer to when he's replaced by a young Dick. I think Tim wouldn't ever be able to get rid of Jason.

Then on Tim's side, I think his reaction to being replaced after his death would be a complicated one. Objectively, being the Robin who believes Batman needs a Robin, he'd respect the logic and know Bruce was always going to replace him eventually. But still, there's always going to be that instinctual emotional reaction of betrayal and replacement. I think he'd view Jason at first with anger and distance, but then, seeing Jason as this street kid with begrudging potential, I could see Red Hood!Tim testing Jason. Constantly throwing things at Jason, seeing how he reacts, if he lives up to being Robin. Tim has a need for analyzing people, understanding their strengths and weaknesses. And he seems the Robin mantle very uniquely, he'd need to have it proven to him that Jason can handle it.

So you would have this dynamic of Jason hero worshipping Tim, slowly believing in Tim's methodology. While Tim is at first dismissive of him, but then starts to test him, see what makes this kid tick. And I think the TimJay potential of Jason trying to prove himself to Tim could be Neat.

I don't know if this is just me but I really want to see reverse robins fanart and fanfics where after, years of living with Bruce and Alfred, Damian has mellowed out a lot. (He's still himself but way less violent and more quiet and stoic and an awesome big brother)(tim came a few years after Damian and by then Damian was better than when he had first come to the manor but still just a ball of anger and violence so tim has a lot of story's from that time that the younger batfam members have a hard time believing but still do sorta). Like Alfred would probably have a photo book and show it to Jason and Dick and be like: "and this was master Damian's first time out on patrol. He was banned and grounded for 3 months and put on house arrest. This is master Damian's first day at school. We ended up late because we had to take away knives from him, and even then he still had about five that, luckily, he did not use when he got into a fight with another student." "Oh and this is his first gala. He tried to stab 10 different people. Master Bruce stopped him thankfully before he could" and as he is telling these stories about young Damian Jason and Dick are like

They hear about 10 other stories about young Damian being an angry stabby child (they don't know that he was an assassin because I feel like Damian left that part of his life behind and doesn't tell anyone and Alfred wouldn't breach Damian's trust because he loves him) and now when Dick or Jason are setting the table they don't give Damian knives or when anyone else sets the table they both steal the knives until they realize that Damian doesn't know it's them and thinks that Alfred is taking them and thinks that Alfred is mad at him and doesn't trust him 😭 so they confess and apologize)

Reverse robin au !!

Cass is new in the manor so is jay they love their big bro dams who doesn't show affection,

one day Talia appeared, called Damian her weapon and invited him to come back to her also to take down the new leader of LOA

the bats realize more about their big bro and his persona and Bruce find out why his kids love dams

Also they find out dami is the new leader of the league of assassin's.

Reverse robin au !!

Damian live in the manor but no one new about him they relise that all the pictures on the wall are sign with a mestirious D (before Richard come and cass is too young to notice ) until they see a beautiful picture of them (Duke jay tim cass and Steph ); they asked Alfred who refuse to answer after they asked Bruce who has told them that Alfred is the one bringing those pic

Damian is also the one who design there costume

They enter the kitchen to find him there (Alfred band all of them from his kitchen )

How I think reverse robin au would go:

_ damian being the oldest sibling who came first he and bruce don't talk so much but they start to fight each time they do he would love his sibling but he doesn't know how to show them he's bad a communication cause he live with b and Alfred and he doesn't stop talking formally. His vigilante name would be "shadow" and he would leave the Manor at the age of 17 to the sister city Blüdhaven he tries to be a good brother to his sibling even thought he doesn't know how to show it and he has a protective side, I 100% sur he would kill the joker after he know about tim death then he killed ra for manipulating his younger brother and those killing were also part of the fall of his relationship with his father.

_duke was the second to came to the Manor at the age of 7, damian and him didn't get a long at first cause damian keep distance but they turn to be the beautiful, he didn't know about his power fist but them when he did bruce made sur to make him feel welcome duke was younger than tim but he stayed in the Manor the most he was athe good sunshine brother who maintained a good relationship with his sibling and bruce, he became vigilant after turning 9 goes by "spoiler". Batman listened to him the most.

_Stephanie was already a vigilant when bruce took her in, she was a the sister that camed but never really adopted she stayed in the Manor alot and loved to annoyed bruce who she started calling him B she had a healthy sibling relationship with her brothers even if damin did look weird and mysterious she loved to annoyed but he never snaped at here, she become batgirl. Tim death destroyed here and Jason coming home did bring here some joy but she couldn't forget her BFF death.

_tim camed next at the age of 12 he was adopted after discovery batman and spoiler, he and damian didn't get a long at fist but after tim talking with duke and understanding damian personality he looked up on him and somehow they started get along . joker captured tim to make him joker Jr but tim ended dead due to the experience, when he woke up he find himself in the hand of the demon head who manipulated him to the perfect puppet until damian came and saved him, there he learnt about his older brother past them damian bring him back to Blüdhaven tim was mentally investable but damian did all he could to help him recover then he want back to Gotham and reunited with his family and met his new brother,

_rev!Jason and Jason joined the same way to the batfamily after tim death he bring joy to bruce and duke, he didn't meet damian when he camed to the Manor he just find out about him by asking whoms room in the end turn out he had an older brother who he didn't know about he was excited to meet him, he looked and strong cool in jason eyes, he was more them bruce and he got along with him with book where he first met him , then he met Tim who he used to looked up and he did all he could do to enter the Jr heart ♥

_cass arrived is the same, she camed and stayed, she stayed close to bruce at first then duke, she got along with here sibling quick and here brother cheried here, they know her past. Damian looked at his sibling care to cass he didn't understand but he didn't hated it it was nice seeing how they care to the little girl who she remained him of his past, she also choose to become a vigilante under the name of orphan she started speaking but preferred to use sight language.

_dick camed last at the age of 8 same as the original version he was the lovely beautiful sunshine Little brother who was dear to the batfam but his favorite was damian who he looked up to he was like a father to him he become robin.

_bruce in this rev had a good relationship with duke cass Jay and dick, steph and him used to be close befor Tim's death but after that she made a distance with him and started to get along a little but not as before, him and tim didn't get along after his return because of tim killing problems and tim refusing to come close. But him and damian relationship was too far from a good relationship he didn't trust damian to change and always scolded him for small mistake until damian left the Manor they Don't talk and after killing joker there was ni room off talking only yelling, they Don't talk when damian visit the Manor even in the diner table and bruce always tell damian to stay away from his sibling cause he scared that damian would hurt them

Reverse robin

Steph and damian bonding

What if Damian is the oldest Robin? There's a lot that changes, but a lot that stays the same. They're still the chaotic, slightly dysfunctional family they've always been. Honestly, at this point.

Reverse Robins AU!

Damian | Timothy | Jason | Dick

• Early Life:

Following Canon, Jason was a street rat. During patrol, Batman just so happened to park his car next to Jason's territory in Crime Alley. Twelve year old Jay took the opportunity to steal from the Bat, he was caught and sent to a children's home. When he infiltrated a crime ring after being expressly forbidden from doing so, Batman recognized the pattern and took him under his wing to replace Timothy who hadn't been out of the game for even a year yet.

• First Outing:

Jason warned Batman of a group of drug lords who will be meeting up, but didn't believe that Batman believed him because of his dismissive nature. Jason decided to go after the bad guys himself, but to his surprise Batman appeared and helped him.

• The Name:

Jason was given Tim's old moniker of Aves, creating a mini legacy. Though the twelve year old was estastatic about becoming Aves, the fifteen year old Timothy felt like he was sidelined.

• Home Life:

Jason at this point was considered Bruce's favorite child. He was the first kid that Bruce chose to bring into the life, and the only one he officially adopted. Even so, Bruce treated Jason in a similar manner to Tim, if slightly more attentive.

Damian (22 years old) as well took more of an interest in this brother, taking personal interest in training him to fight the Joker after what happened to Tim.

Tim and Jason were often mistaken for being much closer than they were, being the closest in age with only a three year age gap, in truth Jason seeks for Tim's approval and Tim is bitter about being replaced.

Alfred as always treats them the same.

• The Incident

The Joker. A crowbar. You know the story. Fifteen year old Jason Todd is murdered and mourned.

Except this time he doesn't go unavenged.

• Independence:

Upon his resurrection by Lazarus Pit, Jason Todd, formerly Aves, is trained by the League of Assassins to take revenge by killing the Joker. They are unaware that the Joker who is currently wreaking havoc is a clone. The original was dispatched by Damian.

Reverse Robins AU!

Damian | Timothy | Jason | Dick

• Early Life:

Timothy Drake was left alone for most of his childhood, locked away in his parents' manor he learned how to pick locks and hack security systems to sneak out. He grew up with tales of Batman and his shadow, and when he was nine he began to research who they might be. Honestly it wasn't too hard to connect Batman and the Shadow to Bruce and Damian Wayne. What was hard though, was talking himself out of trouble when they caught him sneaking into the Cave.

When Damian cut ties with Bruce, eleven year old Tim stepped up. Tim fulfilling his life long dream of becoming a hero, and Bruce being given a second chance at being a father with a boy who chose him.

• First Outing:

While you could consider young Timothy breaking into the Cave as his first outing, the first time he appeared as his superhero alter was months after being taken in by Bruce. Batman was adamant that Tim did not have enough training in comparison to his first sidekick (and the other bats) to appear in the field. But when Batman was captured by Scarecrow, and Tim fought through his own fear to save him, Bruce decided it was time.

• The Name:

Tim spent his early days meticulously crafting his superhero name.

Nuthatch? No, that would be shortened to Nut.

Batboy? Juvenile.

Boybat? Worse.

Myotis? Sounds too much like mitosis.

Red Bat? Filing away for later.

Aves? Yeah Aves, short and snappy.

Tim often credits himself with the addition of red to the family color chart.

• Home Life:

Tim's home life was much less rocky than Damian's, Bruce put in more of an effort to help the boy who chose him. Actually taking an interest in his education for example, and pushing him to take an interest in Wayne Enterprises.

Damian and Tim don't have a personal relationship at all until they establish a working relationship. Their interactions outside of work are akin to that cousin you only see at family gatherings who you don't dislike but you never speak to.

• Independence:

When Tim was 15 he was benched. The moniker of Aves ripped away from him, due to his time as Joker Jr. His injuries sustained then, both physical and mental, made him unfit for duty.

After an event referred to as the "Incident," Tim returned to the life of vigilantism to support Batman as Red Bat, and briefly as Drake.

Reverse Robins AU!

Damian | Timothy | Jason | Dick

• Early Life:

The eldest of the bat boys, Damian is the son of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al Ghul. The product of a one night fling when Bruce was 27 and newly cristened as Batman, he is the only "blood" son. The boy was raised and trained by the League of Assassins for the first 9 years of his life before being given to his father.

• First Outing:

Trained to always finish the job, Damian found his father's methods lacking when it came to his vigilante work. And so with his mind set on rectifying this fault, Damian donned his old robes that he wore when working as an assassin and followed his father out one night. Batman was up against a C-lister thug and when he beat him and left him there for the cops to find in the morning, Damian swooped in to finish the job.

• The Name:

After that fateful night, Bruce realized that he couldn't leave Damian to his own devices and decided to train him to be a hero. Henceforth Damian was known as "Shadow." The superhero name bestowed upon him by Commissioner Gordon, seeing as he was always in Batman's shadow.

• Home Life:

Damian has the worst relationship with his father among all of his adopted siblings. They had a strictly professional relationship while on patrol that bled into their home life. Bruce had no idea what a child needs, and beyond that he never wanted Damian. This child was thrown on him and Damian knows he viewed him as an unwanted and untrustworthy pest for the first few years.

Alfred became his caretaker in much the same way he was for Bruce.

• Independence

Damian left his life as Batman's sidekick at age 18. He kept the name Shadow believing it to still be accurate. Damian, while for the most part maintaining the life of a solo vigilante, has been a part of many super hero teams, and led a few as well.

Shadow is inducted into the Justice League two years after leaving Batman's side. And it is widely acknowledged that he is the only choice for the next Batman.