Oh You Hate Bran? You Think He’s Boring? You Think He’s Whiny? Should We Throw A Party? Should We

bethany and steve talking about how their scenes and lines were cut out and they had to quite literally beg and advocate for their inclusion in the show. nevermind the treatment rhaena is getting in the show that just… is insanely off track from the treatment she got in the books. characters with little to no relevance are given screentime and have scenes that should have gone to other characters, actors experiencing racism and hate from the gp, and poc characters either being scrapped or reduced to a fanfiction version of the writers fantasy. mind you, baela and corlys are in my top five favs on the show, and here i am being told that despite their importance in the narrative (especially baela’s) they are either reduced to the background, sidelined or cut out completely? but they have enough time to film olivia cooke taking a fucking bath every episode? phoebe even mentions they’d get disappointed looking at the script knowing they wouldn’t have any lines. not to mention, other canon poc characters like nettles go erased and merged into other black characters, and it’s STILL not done with a manner of intention and care. it feels intentional to have these characters be played by black actors and then do this to them. fucking KYS ryan and sara

Sad Little King

"History will paint you a villain"

Fourth wall breaking to make us believe what they're putting in Rhaenyra's mouth.

Alicent went to Rhaenyra's wedding wearing the colors her House use for war, which created the Green and Black teams. She knew what she was doing.

Alicent was the only one who actively hated Rhaenyra's children to be bastards. Corlys and Rhaenys didn't really care, Rhaenyra's own husband didn't care, Viserys was totally happily in denial. Cole hated it, but his opinion doesn't matter.

Alicent made it a big deal, raised Aegon to be scared of Rhaenyra when he had no true animosity towards his sister before. And telling her son to spare Rhaenyra after years of telling him he was a challenge for her and would die if she becomes queen, was silly.

She helped put Aegon on the throne, and when learnt she was wrong to do so, started to show disdain for him that led Aegon to take his dragon to battle and get burnt.

Then, at his weakest state, she accepted Rhaenyra's deal that includes the murder of her son. The very son who did not want to be king in the first place. Just so she could run away with Helaena and her daughter. She is literally fleeing what she helped causing. She could protect Helaena and Jaehaera and stay in KL to be by her sons' sides and accepts the same sentence she put on them. But no, she still wants a way out of this mess.

So, the writers telling us, through Rhaenyra of all people, "Alicent is a only a victim of patriarchy and will be paint as a villain" is so stupid. Yes, she is a victim. But it doesn't justify all she did. In season two, she marvels at how messed up her boys are, when all their life they heard her complain about Rhaenyra and her bastard children, how Aemond lost an eye and how Lucaerys should have lost his too, that Rhaenyra will murder Aegon in cold blood when she becomes queen (before he usurped her).

So, yes, she is a villain and history will rightfully paint her as such. That doesn't make her a bad character, nor does it mean all victims become villains in turn; Rhaenys is a victim of patriarchy too, Rhaenyra and her mum, the servant girl who Aegon sexually assaulted, all the women of the story are victims of that.

He was a bookish boy and much preferred the library, where he could often be found. Books were his only passion. Vaegon was quiet and wary as a boy. Even as a child, Vaegon was not well-liked, something which did not change over time. When he had to speak he was often blunt, though never intentionally cruel: he always dutifully performed perfunctory courtesies, but no more.

vaegon... you will always be special to me!!

"If the writers of House of The Dragon keep gaslighting the audience into thinking Viserys was anything better than a powerful man who stole a young girls future, dreams and physical body in the quest for a son he will never love, I will riot"

Okay, I have one fundamental question for people who think that if it weren't for Viserys, Alicent would have a "future" - what kind? What kind of future would that be? If someone says "marriage and children of love <3" they're being ridiculous. I know the creators want to show that Alicent is THE victim, the truth is that you can count on the fingers of one hand the women in the world of ASOIAF who were not victims of an arranged marriage.

Alicent was the daughter of the second son, who despite being the Hand of the King (which he lost several times) had no lands or wealth, no army. Everything that belonged to the Hightower family didn't belong to Otto, but to his older brother, who was the Lord of Oldtown. If it weren't for Viserys, Otto would have married her off to some lesser lord... And that was it. There would be no wonderful "future", just the exact same life, but much less comfortable, because it would be hard to find a man who would allow Alicent so much disrespect and do whatever she wanted.

Could they just stop?

Jfc the way TG actors service the fans is so gross. Aegon/Helaena/Aemond are not a throuple. Helae*ond is not canon. Hela*gon's marriage is abusive. Peak cringey ass fan service

Aegon IVs top 10 most iconic moments:

10. Naming those hills “Barba’s Teets” and then renaming them “Missy’s Teets” when Barba insults Missy’s breast size.

9. Trying to invade Dorne only to not even make it to shore because his whole fleet was wrecked by a storm.

8. Burning down 1/4 of the Kingswood and killing hundreds of people while trying to build wooden dragons for his Dornish invasion. Then immediately giving up on invading Dorne and pretending like nothing happened.

7. Showing up at Whitewalls, impregnating Lord Butterwell’s 3 daughters, and giving him a dragons egg as a reward.

6. Gifting Blackfyre to his bastard son Daemon.

5. Killing his father, Viserys II, thereby robbing the realm of potentially the best king it may have ever seen.

4. Creating Bloodraven.

3. Helping Daena escape the Maidens’ Vault and impregnating her, thereby both creating Daemon Blackfyre and also indirectly causing Baelor the Blessed to kill himself.

2. Spreading rumors that Daeron is his brother’s bastard just to undermine his own heir purely out of spite.

1. Legitimizing all his bastards on his death bed so he can keep being everyone’s problem for another 80 years.

littlefinger was able to get away w having a bastard daughter who looks suspiciously like catelyn stark bc all the vale lords noticed but immediately went oh petyr got the prostitute/peasant girl he could find who most closely resembled catelyn tully pregnant right around the time she married ned stark. extremely likely thing for petyr to do

It is beyond me what Green stans are doing in the “anti-hotd” tag when the entire shitshow is basically an extremely canon-deviated version which serves their delusions, as follows:

1. Alicent is such a poor, innocent, do-gooder peacemaker, and certainly did not abuse her step-daughter, nor seduced and married the King for power, nor plotted for years to usurp the throne.

2. Aegon is not a gluttonous, lazy pig. He is just misunderstood. He harasses women because his daddy doesn’t love him.

3. Aemond is not a psycho. No, definitely not. He does terrible things “accidentally” because he was “bullied” (that word justifies your every action throughout your adult life? Really?)

4. Helaena is not irrelevant. No, of course not. The canon lies. She was a dreamer. Wow…a dreamer…but still completely useless.

I thought this was a safe tag where people can actually discuss the problems with this show, not for people to rant their delusions on how the showrunners “hate” the Greens, when they’ve done nothing but sugarcoat everything they do.

Like, suddenly, the coup orchestrated by the Greens is not treason, and not a malicious act (according to Ryan Conman and Sara Less), even though GRRM rightfully portrays that it is. I can’t believe that there is even a debate on that.

Their little baby’s.

It's amazing how similar children are to them