Apollo Would Be Banned By Athena From Getting Close To Odysseus Once He Has A Different Mate Than A Sun

Do you think Titan Odysseus looks any different from God Odysseus? Are there personalities any different?

How exactly do Diomedes, Penelope, and Odysseus go about discipline/raising Telemachus ?

Any fun facts about them as deities (Telemachus and Penelope)?

What are the reactions of those from the kingdom of Argos (if he somehow managed to convince them of dating a Titan and a goddess)?

Okay so I have a headcanon about titans that they are much more of an embodiment of the domain they represent. It basically goes

Chaos > ancient gods (Gaya, Nyx, Tartarus) > Titans > Gods embodying elements (Limos) > "Olympian gods" > minor gods > nymphs/spirits > demigods

The further it goes the more human they are. For example Limos as goddess of hunger embodied her element to the point where even Demeter couldn't get close to her, or how Helios is sometimes described as the sun itself which never happened to Apollo.

Odysseus as a titan of peace would cause his surroundings to become calm. He sometimes visits cities that were victims of a panic to calm them down. He also helps by visiting places that are meant to be sanctuaries like temples. If he would stay too long he could risk people acting like lotus eaters and not being willing to work so he makes sure to not stay in one place for more than a month.

Titan Ody looks more like a harpy than a human (he has harpy legs and his body is mostly covered in feathers with exception being his chest, neck, arms and face) he has a pair of wings on his back and on his head.

God Odysseus looks mostly like a man in his twenties with wings on his lower back and head.

Raising Telemachus is different depending if it's god Odysseus or titan one. If he's a god, he, Penelope and Dio would stay in Argos at first and make sure if Telemachus is a god or not (since gods do not always give birth to other gods). Telemachus would be raised among people of Argos until he develops his domain.

If Odysseus is a titan they would raise Telemachus in the fields that are seen as Ody's main domain. Diomedes would make sure to take Telemachus regularly to some cities to make sure that he would know more about people. (Since God Ody is easily startled by people and titan one can't stay with them too long without affecting them)

In both Odysseus would share stories with his baby and show him many places while Penelope would introduce Telemachus to many books, arts and crafts.

Ody is more relaxed about raising Telemachus. He is a little bit overprotective but at the same time he wants his baby to enjoy what the world has to offer. Penelope is a kind but stern parent. She is the one who established things like bedtime or will give him timeout for misbehaving. Diomedes is at first confused as hell because he knows nothing about raising kids but he gets better with time. He also was only recently granted godhood or he is about to so he is still figuring out all the god stuff while trying to raise a baby that can easily lift him.

With the people of Argos it's a funny story.

At first they obviously didn't believe him when he said he's a lover of a titan. But once Sthenelus realised that Dio isn't lying he's PANICKING! Everyone knows that Odysseus has been married for over a century. They are scared that his wife will punish Dio and the entire Argos for this situation. They want to build a temple for Penelope to beg her for forgiveness only to turn out that Penelope doesn't mind sharing her husband (especially since the first thing Ody did was to ask for his wife's permission to have a date with a pretty human.) Dio decides to stay human until he finds someone to replace him on the throne and Sthenelus is always sweating bullets when he feels the presence of the titan and the goddess.

What if Penelope was Scylla? How would that go?

In normal epic?

Still Ody loves her the same.

I imagine Ithaca being an island that is way further from the mainland. There Penelope would have a special palace built for her and her family built by Ody. She probably attacks anyone who would be seen as a threat to her or her family.

Also everyone would be shocked, scared and impressed with the fact that Ody married and had a child with a gigantic monster.

There would be a joke where Ody describes Penelope in the sweetest ways and because of it nobody is ever ready to face her true form.

There is a really good fic with a similar promise on ao3 called "Appetite". I really recommend it to you.

WOMEN! QUEENS! BEAUTIES!!!!

FINALLY! I came up with a vague concept of the women of Sparta, my favourite one is Clytemnestra, I kind of like how she turned out and how she is different from her cousin and sister, I wanted her to be Extravagant, different,more and less traditional at the same time, just like my Hera( I always say that Agamemnon and Clytemnestra are just the earthly equivalent of Zeus and Hera, change my mind)

Especially when in my mind each of them are associated with goddesses that started the whole war

Penelope-Athena

Helen-Aphrodite

Clytemnestra -Hera

bonus some fancy hairstyles for Hera that she will interchange because she can (and I can't decide)

Diomedes and Menelaus spent the Trojan War fighting over their mutual custody Work Wife Odysseus

Do you have any myths about Diomedes after he gets turned into a god?

What was Titan Odysseus's childhood like?

1. not yet

2. A childhood of a titan is a vague timeframe. Odysseus remembers the time where people weren't created yet. He remembers the time without worship and different meanings of pleasure. There was a time when he just like the other ancient generation didn't possess sentimentality over acts of love making.

It used to be something as simple as drinking water from the river when you are thirsty and eating fruits when you are hungry. Odysseus still remembers the names of titans, nymphs and satyrs that used to share with him pleasure. He isn't sure if he sires any children from that time since children made between titans or ancient gods like Nyx or Gaya were growing up so fast they barely needed parents and they quickly understood the meaning of domains that they embodied. After all he barely remembers Gaya or Eros (in Hesiod's Theogony Eros as spiritual embodiment of love was made by Khaos instead of being son of Aphrodite) ever nurturing him or teaching him about his domain. He WAS the peace. He was what calmed those in distress and what allowed others to enjoy a quiet existence of nature.

But then the people arrived. Those creatures made out of clay were fascinated to the titan who despite living for centuries was maybe in his teen years.

They lived for such a short time that they saw importance in the smallest of things. Odysseus loved seeing how people would put a lot of care in creating tasty food, building homes or nurturing their youth.

He then also witnessed the true meaning of marriage and family. People who lived for such a short time would find another half to share life with. They would do everything together and even refused to share the nights with anyone else just to prove their devotion.

While Odysseus never found interest in the idea of being worshipped by the people, ha absolutely fell in love with the marriages. Now he couldn't imagine having an affair with anyone that wasn't this special for him. And so he waited until he found himself someone so special he would like to share his life with.

Titan Odysseus you said that he could create sanctuaries that couldn't be easily accessed by others. How often did he use those and what was the reason he used them for?

He uses them mostly to make sure people won't be accidentally affected by his presence. He also makes them to protect people that he witnessed being chased by gods, satyrs etc.

He also used to make those when having a date with a lover so they would not be spotted together by some strangers.

He doesn't use them too often. Just when he feels it's needed.

How much do you think god or Titan Odysseus affects greek mythology if at all?

How does Telemachus find his domains?

What abilities do you think Diomedes would inherit upon becoming a deity?

Titan Odysseus would not affect Greek mythology too much. He is one of those gods/titans that you fear about but they are rarely active in stories of other people. (Like the greek god of riches for example.)

He would have a few stories involving gods like Apollo or Ares that were unable to do their job because Ody was too close to them or a story or two about a mortal/nymph who tried to seduce Ody only to be cursed by Penelope.

Telemachus finds his domain during his travels with his parents. He finds traveling people who had a problem with setting up their camp. Telemachus helped them by helping them find a shelter and creating a campfire that would survive a night. Travellers gave Telemachus a flute (which would become his symbol) and some food as thanks and they spent the rest of the night exchanging stories and playing music together. Telemachus was able to calm down stressed travellers and aided them, that way he discovered his domain.

I'm still not sure what type of god Dio would become so I don't know.

In addition to that Menelaus broke down crying when seeing Telemachus for how much he looked like Odysseus.

I find the "Telemachus in 'Odysseus' realising his father doesn't know what he looks like as an adult" jokes hilarious, but also, this is what Athena said when she met Telemachus for the first time:

Am I the only one who wants a prequel saga more than a cut song saga? Like it would have a couple cut songs but it's mostly about how Penelope and Odysseus' relationship developed. A great ending could be a song about their wedding.

Is this just an excuse to get "I Need Her To Be Mine" to be canon. Yes. Is it also an excuse to get adorable young Odypen. Also yes.

Idk, does anyone agree?

How far do you think one can go down the rabbit hole of what ifs? Are there any two outlandish to consider in the world of Epic the musical?

It all depends on imagination and some boundaries. For example if the "what if" has literally NOTHING to do with characters and story you are basically writing something completely different.

Some of my favourite fics are a simple "what if" that is followed by a long chain of consequences. They are a lot of fun and it's nice to see authors considering a domino effect this big. (My Illiad fanfic started as a simple question that snowballed into something bigger)

For the same reason I'm not the biggest fan of stories that are just a copy and paste of the lyrics of Epic songs.