And Then Everyone Clapped

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Something that's really funny about Little Shop 1986 is the juxtaposition between the narrative often not taking anything seriously/making fun of itself and the characters and plot to the point that it's meanspirited at times (like Seymour describing the lifelong abuse and neglect he's gone through being framed in a very comedic and flippant way that's clearly making fun of him to the point that there might as well have been a laugh track playing, this happens with Audrey's introduction as well) but at the same time the performances (especially those of Ellen Greene and Rick Moranis) are so sincere.

This is most prominent in the theatrical cut ending where some of the dialogue feels like it was written in that Spongebob sarcasm font ("ThIs Is BeTwEeN mE aNd ThE vEgEtAbLE") (the very mocking tone at parts probably comes from them being pissed off that they had to redo the ending and seeing this new happy ending as stupid and fake and vapid which is fair) but it still feels like the actors are taking it fully seriously. If they were pissed at the audience like the writers clearly were I certainly can't tell. I refuse to look up interview quotes for any of this because most times I've looked at an interview quote for this movie it's been completely antithetical to every single thought I've ever had about it and made me wonder if I've watched the movie that it's talking about but yeah. Also probably no one involved would admit it if they were pissed at the audience but like... the writers probably were based on some of that dialogue/framing. No I don't know who 'the writers' were despite having written the equivalent of two doctoral theses on this movie. Because researching the authorial intent is painful for the reasons I've described.

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Anyway tl;dr the juxtaposition between the narrative not taking anything seriously/being very mocking and the performances being very sincere is fun, it really adds to the feeling of Seymour and Audrey trying to survive in a world/society that hates them when the narrative itself is taking the piss out of them half the time.

i want to kiss him /srs

Suddenly, Paps in Sans's jacket

This idea literally just occurred to me (by that I mean a few hours from when it's being queued, ignore the fact that it was queued for 7 in the morning) but what if Orin was reworked slightly to be Audrey's shitty abusive father and by killing him Seymour achieved the dream of every queer person ever to kill their best friend's shitty parents? I'm imagining that he left to get the milk when she was a kid like she describes in Suddenly Seymour and then took advantage of her kind nature and societally mandated obligation towards him to be able to crash at her apartment after she became an adult and not have to pay rent after his crimes as a dentist finally caught up to him and ruined his career and sent him looking for the solution to the suite of problems he now has at the bottoms of beer bottles. And his abuse towards her still has a sexual component because he sucks. And he 'justifies' it to himself by telling himself and her that her mom probably cheated on him anyway (and therefore she wouldn't be genetically his but is still apparently obligated to let him crash at her apartment and put up with his treatment of her for... reasons?)

Also the parallelism of Seymour killing Audrey's abusive father and his abusive father is nice. It'd be even better if she was the one to kill his abusive father, but I can't think of a way to make that work without significantly restructuring the plot. There could also be some parallelism with Seymour x Twoey considering that there are some jokes based on the premise that Seymour is a father figure of sorts to him (he gets mad at him when he curses and tries to sneak out on him with suitcases like a deadbeat dad and does midnight feedings with blood.) I would probably introduce Audrey's past at The Gutter through her saying (in very different words than the ones I'm using) that her very creation cursed her to be awful and not worthy of a good life (because her mom was a sex worker at The Gutter who Orin solicited the services of), which honestly sounds cooler than her having met him there and plays into the theme of the characters' lack of agency under capitalism that is explored throughout the movie.

my response is in the replies :)

okay i was just about to get in the shower when i was thinking about how exactly twoey’s physiology would work. so i started thinking “well, it’s gotta have some sort of tougher outer layer of ‘skin’ almost like an exoskeleton…but it also has teeth too??” and then i was stumped. like yeah, it’s an alien…but then it struck me:

what if twoey wasn’t a plant at all? like whole ass flesh and bone plant-looking monster? that to me sounds like a very terrifying concept! but all of that aside, i do still want to collaborate on twoey’s anatomy as an actual chlorophyll-haver.

i’m genuinely curious: how do you think twoey anatomically works? i get that her design kinda doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when you think about it, but damnit! i still wanna try!

so yknow, if the botanists of tumblr wanna collab with the lsoh fandom then…by all means…

Susie doesn’t consider herself an introvert.

She also doesn’t consider herself a quiet person.

But Noelle says Susie never talks to anyone.

And Monster Kid says she froze up instead of trying to pay ball with them.

She was watching and wanting to join in, but this was misinterpreted as “creepy”.

Susie is an extrovert, but it seems like she has a certain degree of social anxiety.

She’s actually a very social person.

That’s one reason her behavior is so night-and-day in Chapter 2.

The class has probably never seen this side of her, happy and laughing and cracking jokes.

Susie may have been a loner, but unlike Kris, who, despite being well-liked in town, is an introvert and usually prefers to be alone…

…Susie never wanted to be.

Do you think Jebediah finally quit because Tricky cut his head off? Like that was him finally realising there was nothing of Hofnarr left inside. In some twisted way they killed his closest friend in a horrid way. Boy that'd give a lot of righteous fury to me too

Kinda? I think he just rage quit because nothing was going his way lmao. But fr I don't think Jeb ever really cared about Hofnarr/Tricky. He might've cared enough to see if Tricky remembered him, and maybe even team up with him at some point. But Tricky doesn't care so neither does Jeb. Thinking he's just mad because Tricky's in the way-

Audrey has prosopagnosia (face blindness). Why do I headcanon this? It would explain her not being sure if she thinks Seymour is cute or not, and it would make the leather jacket scene more interesting if Seymour actually looked like Orin to her for a second (parallels between Seymour and Orin as Seymour spirals with guilt and wonders how alike they are we love to see it.) I also like the idea of her primarily associating him with things like the way he carries himself and his characteristic hand gestures in her mind. Like, when she hears his name she thinks about those things instead of his face. She developed prosopagnosia after falling off one of her boyfriend’s motorcycles, and she can compensate for it well enough that she doesn’t realize that she has it, although she sometimes gets a vague sense that something is off with her ability to recognize people.